David P. Boder Interviews [first name unknown] Feneger; August 16, 1946; Paris, France

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[In English] Spool 9-45A and 9-45B. It had some irrelevant material on the start. Possibly in duplication a, um . . . previously used wire was used again. The spool is for the time being 9-45A, containing the . . . interview with a . . . Polish, English-speaking marine, who trains Jewish sailors and fisherman, and 9-45B the beginning of the interview with Mr. Bramson at the ORT school. There is some other irrelevant material on the spoolâapparently the apparatus, how it often happened was demonstrated to some visitors at the place of interview before privacy could be obtained with the actual interviewee.

David Boder

What is your name sir?

[first name unknown] Feneger

Feneger [?].

David Boder

Feneger [?].

[first name unknown] Feneger

Feneger [?]. F . . . F-Eâ

David Boder

That's all right. You are a Frenchman?

[first name unknown] Feneger

No I am Polish.

David Boder

You are Polish?

[first name unknown] Feneger

My father was come from of [?] Poland to Berlin. And I lived in Berlin.

David Boder

Aha, and you lived in Berlin?

[first name unknown] Feneger

Ya.

David Boder

Now I understand that you are now with the ORT?

[first name unknown] Feneger

I . . . we are working with the ORT and with other organizations in order to form a Jewish Marine.

David Boder

A Jewish Marine?

[first name unknown] Feneger

Marine, yes.

David Boder

And where do you have your headquarters?

[first name unknown] Feneger

We have our headquarters in London.

David Boder

In London?

[first name unknown] Feneger

Yes, it's a Zebulon . . . Zebulon organization.

David Boder

Yes.

[first name unknown] Feneger

A Palestinian sea-faring organization . . .

David Boder

Yes . . .

[first name unknown] Feneger

A Palestinian sea-faring organization who works, who works in London and in Palestine and in the United States, in the States and they were formed there, they were formed there the Marine . . .

David Boder

Yes. Are you in Marseille, stationed now?

[first name unknown] Feneger

Now? No. I am in Paris here.

David Boder

You are here in Paris. What are you the general-director or something?

[first name unknown] Feneger

Yes, the technical director.

David Boder

The technical director, now tell me what are you really doing? For instance I understand you have a marine school in Marseille.

[first name unknown] Feneger

Yes, we have twenty-seven people there.

David Boder

Yes and what are you training them?

[first name unknown] Feneger

We are training fishery . . . for fisheries.

David Boder

For fisheries?

[first name unknown] Feneger

Yes.

David Boder

Yes, and . . .

[first name unknown] Feneger

We are buying boats and we are training them as French fisherman.

David Boder

Oh.

[first name unknown] Feneger

And French instructors . . . for nine months and then they will go to sea and for the fisheries of the highâgreat sea, you know?

David Boder

Yes . . . uh . . . deep-sea fishing?

[first name unknown] Feneger

Deep-sea fishing.

[first name unknown] Feneger

Then they will go to Palestine.

David Boder

Yes. Now tell me are you training marines also for other purposes than fishery?

[first name unknown] Feneger

Yes, for navigation. For the Marine . . .

David Boder

Generally . . . in other words you are training Jewish seamen.

[first name unknown] Feneger

Jewish seaman, yes.

David Boder

Aha.

[first name unknown] Feneger

And with the collaboration of the Palestine school of Zebulon.

David Boder

Oh, the Zebulon? What is the Zebulon school in Palestine?

[first name unknown] Feneger

Zebulon school in Palestine is the same school as we are here forming [unintelligible] fishery and the merchant marine.

David Boder

A merchant marine.

[first name unknown] Feneger

Merchant marine.

David Boder

Yes . . . merchant marine.

[first name unknown] Feneger

And an instructor from Palestine will come here.

David Boder

When? To the ORT convention?

[first name unknown] Feneger

No, um . . . . To our school . . . [wire break]

David Boder

. . . your students. And do you have only men at your . . . [wire break] . . . and do you have already graduates?

[first name unknown] Feneger

No, no, no. We are beginning . . . not quite yet.

David Boder

You are just beginning and the plan is to create a Jewish Marine.

[first name unknown] Feneger

A Marine, yes.

David Boder

Well, I think that is very interesting.

David Boder

This concludes spool 9-45A. An interview with Mr. Fenger in English, an instructor in the new formedâor newly formedânavigation school which had its branches in Paris. It was the Zebulon school. And in France and, I understand even in England. Chicago, November the 14th 1950, Boder. This concludes Spool 9-45A and eh, . . . on another spool we have 9-45B the beginning of the interview with Mr. Bramson in Russian.